Info-Sec Related, about getting an internship

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As most jobs say, you need at least 3-5 years in the information technology program, 5 years in your particular field, and a bachelor's degree (and since most don't take associate's degree), I decline to talk about getting a job with an associate's degree, but what I can't figure out, if I could intern as work experience before i get my field, are there any jobs so I can get my foot started in before I go into the Info Sec industry. Every time I check for jobs such as through internships.com, indeed, or even internmatch, I'm still finding that I need some type of degree and previous skills, but where can I get an internship without a degree. Where is it?

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Hi Reliable,

From a interviewer perspective and someone who work in a team that look for candidates with 3 years infosec experience before. Companies do consider accepting accept fresh graduate or people who is interested in infosec security career line. This is because of the shortage of infosec professional in the market, most resume often shows up with candidate having the wrong experience or qualification, while suitable candidates may not always been within the company budget. Therefore, while filling up an infosec team requirement, companies may sometimes have to consider candidates who can best fit within the budget requirement, this is very common especially for low level entry infosec jobs. Companies often face into a situation where they either have to raise the budget requirement, or force to look at the alternative. That is how you can fall into being part of the alternative and break into infosec career.

You just have to know what to get in your resume to be pick up by a companies if they couldn't find a suitable candidate within their budget, either a good security experience, good networking security experience, good security certs, or a well known local security degree will land you in a good chance of being an alternative.

The easiest I know of is having security certs, somewhere along the lines of having ceh, gcih alongs with some other common certs like ccna, ccnp and some microsoft certs and you will stand a good chance in breaking into infosec line. Just do some research on what good certs to get that can give you a good roi.

I dont know if an internship will helps in breaking into infosec line, it just shows your interested but it may not shows you are capable in filling up the company requirement.

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What's your geographical mobility? The greater the distance you are willing to physically move for a job the better your chances at finding something that fits you needs best. Many people who complain they can't find a job don't bother to also say they don't want more than a 15-minute commute. That kind of restriction sure narrows the opportunities.

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My company offers remote (work-from-home) internships, but they are very selective. I personally don't care about your formal education. But what are your skills.

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Study shows good doctor-patient relationships facilitate discussions about health care costs

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Study shows good doctor-patient relationships facilitate discussions about health care costs

Strong relationships with physicians, particularly those that are long standing, are likely to increase patients' openness to talk about health care costs when decisions are being made about their treatment options.

According to a new study[1] by Marion Danis from the National Institutes of Health Clinical Center[2] in the US, and colleagues, rushed visits with insufficient time to talk about important issues can undermine efforts to bring sensitive topics like costs into the doctor-patient relationship and can be counterproductive. The work appears online in the Journal of General Internal Medicine[3], published by Springer.

Physicians are increasingly expected to take costs into account when they offer treatment recommendations and make decisions for patients. Several communication strategies have been considered to help doctors broach the topic of insurer and out-of-pocket costs with patients. These include:

Using empathy so doctors and patients are working as a team to address the issue of cost Each party doing their part to address costs so the decision-making is fair Emphasizing that the less expensive option is good enough and debunking the notion that the newest, most expensive treatment is the better choice Educating patients of the impact of rising health care costs on their premiums.

Danis and team convened 22 focus groups of 211 insured patients to explore attitudes towards discussing and considering insurer and out-of-pocket costs in the doctor-patient encounter. They also examined whether proposed communications strategies would make the patient more receptive to discussing cost.

In the focus groups, patients were led though a series of scenarios. For example, patients were asked to imagine they had experienced the worst headache of their life for three months, for which their doctor recommended an imaging study e.g. MRI or CT scan. The doctor explained that the difference between the two tests was marginal; the MRI however was twice as expensive as the CT. For all scenarios, participants discussed whether and how they would want their physicians to broach the topic of costs with them, and which treatment option they would ultimately choose. The researchers also observed participants' reactions to the four communications strategies.

Patients were more willing to talk to doctors about personal, out-of-pocket costs than insurer costs. Older and sicker participants were more willing to talk to their doctor about costs than younger and healthier participants.

Overall, patients did not endorse recommended communications strategies for discussing costs in the clinical encounter. In contrast, patients stated that trust in their doctor would make them more willing to discuss costs. Barriers to having those discussions included rushed, impersonal visits and clinicians who were insufficiently informed about costs.

The authors conclude: "Our findings suggest that trust is a valuable ingredient for honest conversations about how to make cost-effective treatment decisions. Given that patients are more receptive to discussing out-of-pocket costs, stronger efforts to educate the public about the importance, for their own sake, of controlling insurer costs is a possible strategy for enabling discussions about these costs."

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1. Danis M et al (2013). Exploring Public Attitudes Towards Approaches to Discussing Costs in the Clinical Encounter. Journal of General Internal Medicine; DOI 10.1007/s11606-013-2543-9

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Jared Leto Opens Up About Roommate Who Died From AIDS: "I Was There During His Final Days"

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Look for Jared Leto to be walking many red carpets during the upcoming awards season.

The Thirty Seconds to Mars rocker is earning Oscar-buzzing reviews for his portrayal of a transsexual in the Dallas Buyers Club, a real-life drama about Ron Woodruff (Matthew McConaughey), a straight Texan with AIDS in the 1980s who smuggled alternative drug treatments into the U.S. from Mexico.

Leto came face-to face with HIV and AIDS when he moved to Los Angeles in 1991.

"I rented a room in a three-bedroom apartment and one of the rooms was rented by a man who was dying [of AIDS]," Leto told me at the Toronto Film Festival premiere of the film. " I was there during his final days.

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"I didn't remember that until I was in the middle of the film and it hit me," he continued. "I couldn't believe I had this experience with this man who was incredibly gentle. It was actually in the first week of filming that I recalled this and it really affected me in a deep way…He was a wonderful person."

Leto lost about 30 pounds for the role, dipping to just about 116 pounds.

"I didn't look in the mirror very much, except in the makeup trailer when they were going to work on me which seemed like it was always hours and hours of work," he said. "A girl's got to do what a girl's got to do to put it together. It was unlike anything I had ever done before."

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But Leto added, "This was something unique. It wasn't just about the weight loss. It wasn't just about the voice or the lose of the eyebrows or the heels. It was everything. I really fell in love with the character. It was my goal to represent a real person, not a cliché and not a stereotype but a real person.

"I feel like we've seen so much of that, the drag queen who is always the life of the party and always has a quick one-liner," he said. "I wanted there to be more than that."

And we want more acting from Leto. Dallas Buyers Club is his first move in about five years.

Asked if there's more on the horizon, Leto simply said, "We'll see."

We sure hope so.

Check out our interviews with Leto, McConaughey and Jennifer Garner (she plays a doctor in the film) below as they all recall when they first heard about HIV and AIDS.

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Syria vows to give up chemical weapons, Obama cautious about deal

1 of 14. Free Syrian Army fighters rest as they eat and drink near Hanano Barracks, which is controlled by forces loyal to Syria's President Bashar al-Assad, in Aleppo September 11, 2013.

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By Phil Stewart and Khaled Yacoub Oweis

WASHINGTON/AMMAN | Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:04am EDT

WASHINGTON/AMMAN (Reuters) - Syria accepted a Russian proposal on Tuesday to give up chemical weapons but U.S. President Barack Obama said it was too early to tell if the initiative would succeed and he vowed to keep military forces at the ready to strike if diplomacy fails.

In a televised address to Americans, Obama pledged to explore Russia's proposal for Syria to place its chemical weapons under international control, while expressing skepticism about the initiative.

He said he had asked the U.S. Congress to postpone a vote on authorizing military action while Washington and its allies try to pass a United Nations resolution requiring Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to give up the weapons in a verifiable way.

In a sign of how hard that will be, Russian President Vladimir Putin said earlier that the chemical weapons plan would only succeed if Washington and its allies rule out military action.

In what amounted to the most explicit, high-level admission by Syria that it has chemical weapons, Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem said in a statement shown on Russian state television that Damascus was committed to the Russian initiative.

"We want to join the convention on the prohibition of chemical weapons. We are ready to observe our obligations in accordance with that convention, including providing all information about these weapons," Moualem said.

"We are ready to declare the location of the chemical weapons, stop production of the chemical weapons, and show these (production) facilities to representatives of Russia and other United Nations member states," he said.

Obama said there had been "encouraging signs" in recent days, in part because of the U.S. threat of military action to punish Assad for what Washington says was the use of poison gas to kill 1,400 civilians in Damascus on August 21.

"It is too early to tell whether this offer will succeed," Obama said. "And any agreement must verify that the Assad regime keeps its commitments. But this initiative has the potential to remove the threat of chemical weapons without the use of force."

Moscow has previously vetoed three U.N. Security Council resolutions that would have condemned the Syrian government over the conflict.

The latest proposal "can work only if we hear that the American side and all those who support the United States in this sense reject the use of force," Putin said in televised remarks.

Obama said he was sending Secretary of State John Kerry to meet Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Geneva on Thursday for further talks, and he himself would continue discussions with Putin.

Amid the whirlwind of diplomatic activity focused on the response to the chemical weapons attack, the civil war resumed in earnest on Tuesday with Assad's jets again bombing rebel positions in the capital.

UNITED NATIONS

An initial U.N. Security Council resolution, drafted by France, would demand that Syria make a complete declaration of its chemical weapons program within 15 days and immediately open all related sites to U.N. inspectors or face possible punitive measures.

The French draft resolution, seen by Reuters, adds that the Security Council would intend "in the event of non-compliance by the Syrian authorities with the provisions of this resolution ... to adopt further necessary measures under Chapter VII" of the U.N. Charter.

Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter covers the 15-nation Security Council's power to take steps ranging from sanctions to military interventions. It is the reference to Chapter 7, U.N. diplomats say, that has made Russia reluctant to support the initial French draft.

Russia has made clear it wanted to take the lead on any resolution. Lavrov told his French counterpart that Moscow would propose a U.N. draft declaration, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Obama said he would work with allies as well as Russia and China, both of which have veto powers on the Security Council, to craft a U.N. resolution. He gave no timetable for how long he would wait for such talks to play out.

"Meanwhile, I've ordered our military to maintain their current posture to keep the pressure on Assad and to be in a position to respond if diplomacy fails," Obama said.

The president also reiterated his arguments for why it would be in the national security interests of the United States to punish Syria for using chemical weapons if diplomacy fails.

"If we fail to act, the Assad regime will see no reason to stop using chemical weapons," Obama said. "As the ban against these weapons erodes, other tyrants will have no reason to think twice about acquiring poison gas and using them."

PUTIN: "NO THREAT OF FORCE"

The United States and France had been poised to launch missile strikes to punish Assad's forces, which they blame for the chemical weapons attack. Syria denies it was responsible and, with the backing of Moscow, blames rebels for staging the attacks to provoke U.S. intervention.

The White House said Obama, British Prime Minister David Cameron and French President Francois Hollande had agreed in a telephone call on their preference for a diplomatic solution, but that they should continue to prepare for "a full range of responses."

While the prospects of a deal remain uncertain, the proposal could provide a way for Obama to avoid ordering military strikes. Opinion polls show most Americans are opposed to military intervention in Syria, weary after more than a decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Whether international inspectors can neutralize chemical weapons dumps while war rages in Syria remains open to question.

Western states believe Syria has a vast undeclared chemical arsenal. Sending inspectors to destroy it would be hard even in peace and extraordinarily complicated in the midst of a civil war.

The two main precedents are ominous: U.N. inspectors dismantled the chemical arsenal of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in the 1990s but left enough doubt to provide the basis for a U.S.-led invasion in 2003. Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was rehabilitated by the West after agreeing to give up his banned weapons, only to be overthrown with NATO help in 2011.

SYRIAN REBELS DISMAYED

The Syrian war has already killed more than 100,000 people and driven millions from their homes. It threatens to spread violence across the Middle East, with countries endorsing the sectarian divisions that brought civil war to Lebanon and Iraq.

The wavering from the West dealt an unquestionable blow to the Syrian opposition, which had thought it had finally secured military intervention after pleading for two and a half years for help from Western leaders who vocally opposed Assad.

The rebel Syrian National Coalition decried a "political maneuver which will lead to pointless procrastination and will cause more death and destruction to the people of Syria."

Assad's warplanes bombed rebellious districts inside the Damascus city limits on Tuesday for the first time since the poison gas attacks. Rebels said the strikes demonstrated that the government had concluded the West had lost its nerve.

"By sending the planes back, the regime is sending the message that it no longer feels international pressure," activist Wasim al-Ahmad said from Mouadamiya, one of the districts of the capital hit by the chemical attack.

The Russian proposal "is a cheap trick to buy time for the regime to kill more and more people," said Sami, a member of the local opposition coordinating committee in the Damascus suburb of Erbin, also hit by last month's poison gas attack.

Troops and pro-Assad militiamen tried to seize the northern district of Barzeh and the eastern suburb of Deir Salman near Damascus airport, working-class Sunni Muslim areas where opposition activists and residents reported street fighting.

Fighter jets bombed Barzeh three times and pro-Assad militia backed by army tank fire made a push into the area. Air raids were also reported on the Western outskirts near Mouadamiya.

However, Damascenes in pro-Assad areas were grateful for a reprieve from Western strikes: "Russia is the voice of reason. They know that if a strike went ahead against Syria, then World War Three - even Armageddon - would befall Europe and America," said Salwa, a Shi'ite Muslim in the affluent Malki district.

(Additional reporting by John Irish in Paris, Louis Charbonneau at the United Nations, Thomas Grove and Steve Gutterman in Moscow and Steve Holland, Jeff Mason, Mark Felsenthal, Patricia Zengerle, Arshad Mohammed, Richard Cowan, Paul Eckert and Roberta Rampton in Washington; Writing by Claudia Parsons; Editing by Jim Loney and Christopher Wilson)

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